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I never did anything extreme, lol
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but he was not wrong
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I think a host getting scared would be negative reinforcer of a personality trait for a tulpa, typically
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so they wouldn't develop that way
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probably
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no i still pretty much developed that way
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that doesnt really work if the thing still keeps getting used the same way
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I pretty much just acted in a way I enjoyed, and as time passed that formed into a full personality, which life experiences and stuff eventually influenced/changed, as they do for everyone, but my core personality's pretty much stayed the same
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i guess thats a good way to do it yeah
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but im still going to stick to my guns and say if someone wants to mold their tulpa into something, theres nothing really wrong with that either
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it aint gunna kill ya to fill a role
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well unless your role is to die specifically
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(a little irrelevant but I think it's funny) This is probably the first interaction I had with someone who ended up our fiance, lol
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my system can tell that I haven't changed too much from that XD
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lolz, that's amazing
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well theres less screaming
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that's what you think
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less typed out screaming
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please dont start typing out screaming
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that was in a voice chat text channel lol, spamming was allowed
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you know for a while there an average day for me wasnt too different than that
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except well i wasnt the one screaming
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yee that was someone who was terrible, anyway we should get back on topic
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Wait wat
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Better yet, swap to #lounge since the topic seems to be dropping off. (edited)
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Indigo needs more comics.
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Deleted User 7/15/2018 7:20 AM
@Smeer Honestly, I've been on the fence about whether or not I even want a tulpa community for the last year now. No, despite what I said about the image, having it go mainstream would be absolutely awful. The potential for misuse is far, far too high. In the same way that there are many bad parents, there would be even more bad tulpamancers. We would need a way to restrict information on the practice to make sure we could control how people were doing it, which is not attainable currently. The main reason I care is that it makes me ashamed to be a part of the tulpa community with it in the state that it is. If I ever want to tell somebody what I am, it's difficult because of the poor image the community has. So ideally, I would like our image to be less shit but for us to remain non-mainstream.
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Maybe we should do a public outreach program. :?
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Deleted User 7/15/2018 7:27 AM
pls no
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Gosh, saying no to charity. :Y
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Deleted User 7/15/2018 7:28 AM
Well as I said, I don't want us going mainstream
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We'll do it in secret.
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Deleted User 7/15/2018 7:30 AM
thonk
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Deleted User 7/15/2018 7:47 AM
I doubt that we will go to mainstream anyway even if we were less crappy. OBE seems to be good explained from scientific point of view, still it's quite exotic interest of a few people. (and still there are people who believe in astral explanation)
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I don't believe tulpas will interest everyone. Also, I don't see a reason why we should try to either interest everyone or hide it from people.
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Same reason for hiding it as having people have to do courses before getting pregnant
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To prevent poor parenting, or in our case, poor hosting
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Well, for me it's quite complicated.
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I feel everyone deserves to have an imaginary companion. But to develop it into an alternate identity... It is the part that people should consider harder. And currently, we are flattening these two things
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You know, even little children have imaginary friends who talk to them. And most of them dissipate. You can't ban these bad hosts :p
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the solution is obscurantism
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I went to
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a psychoanalysis confrence
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being a level 6 Lacanian
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I struggled to keep up
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use intentionally weird terms
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make your language hard to keep up with
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layer everything under metaphysics
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and ethics theory
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I would very much rather tulpas not be that obfuscated if only for the sake of reasonable discussion, particularly as it isn't inherently magic.
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why force when you can traverse the fundamental fantasy through the analytic discourse, subverting the symbolic order
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the confrence was all reasonable discussion
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it was jargon is all
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for example
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you might layer a ton of ethical theory
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over some concepts like forcing and et cetera
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thus if someone wants to be involved
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they would need a concrete ethical framework
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GWnanamiLaceShrug
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just an idea, but metalanguage can allow for reasonable discussion no matter how complex
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I'm not sure if you're saying this jokingly or not.
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I was just at a conference where criticisms of psychiatry were made that sounded like pseudointellectual masturbation
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Deleted User 7/15/2018 8:53 AM
It was psychoanalysis or psychiatry?
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It was a psychoanalytic confrence
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and they were bullying psychiatry
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Deleted User 7/15/2018 8:54 AM
I'm afraid psychoanalysis is a lot closer to being pseudoscience
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there was a whole section dedicated to that, and that was a point brought up during the panel
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psychoanalysis has a stronger long term influence over depressed subjects than CBT
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and I'm not talking about Freudian "You want to fuck your mother" stuff
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ew
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this was of the Lacanian school, which is still very prominent today
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I disagree with obscuring information for the sake of elitism.
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Plain and simple.
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Deleted User 7/15/2018 8:57 AM
So do I
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It's not for elitism
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Hiding information about how to make tulpas for the sake of preventing bad hosts is elitism, which I disagree with.
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I think there are several ethical concerns with tulpamancy becoming mainstream
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hiding information =/= gatekeeping
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I also similarly disagree with hiding arguments against a discipline behind jargon-filled nonsense, unless they are speaking the same language.
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Using jargon to obscure information is hiding it.
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Everyone spoke the same language at the confrence
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Deleted User 7/15/2018 8:59 AM
I think there is a difference between hiding and abstaining from active promotion though
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Okay. Wonderful. Then in that case, it isn't so much of an issue.
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Deleted User 7/15/2018 8:59 AM
I don't think that's really elitism
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It's as much elitism as restricting people from driving cars without a license is.
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Agreed. Not actively promoting tulpas is perfectly fine.
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everyone who speaks the jargon understands eachother perfectly fine
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Ah. I wouldn't say it is quite comparable to that, Alexis.
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Deleted User 7/15/2018 9:00 AM
I think being open community has a value.
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Otherwise I would certainly agree. Safety first, which is why good information should be available, along with full disclosure of possible benefits, downsides, and other considerations to make.
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Deleted User 7/15/2018 9:01 AM
Eh, but that's very host-centric
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@Deleted User, I think most of people who meet us don't have tulpas yet.
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I wasn't saying anything otherwise
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Not necessarily, Alexis. Good information would also include points about positive treatment of tulpas. There is a fairly direct benefit for the host as well, hence they should have reason to follow it.
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I don't have a tulpa
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yet
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Deleted User 7/15/2018 9:03 AM
Yeah but the thing is, all the information is available now and most hosts ignore it in favour of making tulpas that function as pets
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